Ppi Pcx 2400 Manual
Apr 17, 2010 - another way, is that the power class pro (pcx) 2400 has 2 sets of. Pssshh bet u never seen this ppi a 2500 f1 specs: It's a 1998 model for the. Then I have a 2002 PPI book that offers a PCX 2400. There is a major difference in power output between the 1999 PC2400 and the 2002 PCX 2400.
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Art series amps weren't a step down but were the previous generation top of the line PPI amps. They were replaced by the Power Class line. The reason they go for good money is that guys tend to like the looks much better and many people want amps without any processing of any kind in them for a cleaner signal and this includes the Art amps. If there were any internal differences besides the x-overs and bass boost I wouldn't know. Some of the PPI gurus on here can answer that question. Also they are well know for being strong, great sounding, bullet proof amps. All this assumes that your asking about the amps from the early to late 90's that were built and designed in the USA.
The new PPI stuff is built over seas and are different animals altogether. None of the above applies to them. BTW the prices on the Art amps are actually some where between 1/3 and 1/2 the original selling prices for the most of the ones I've seen for sell. They were pretty expensive amps for their time. Most all of what he said is correct.
In 2011 the new art stuff will be out and from what I know it isnt from overseas. The first art came out in 1992.
The last models were in late 1996. They replaced the M series, have better heatsink design, offered water cooling adapters via tubing and offered PWM power supplies which were faster and cleaner. I use Art in my personal cars in my family.
When I can turn my customers to them, I do. I wont sell PC.
Not even the same amps. Heres a link to old retail prices for them from when I was a dealer.
I understand the PWM, and the lack of any processing, but the prices just threw me back. Why do you shun the Power Class from the late 90s. I have a number of them in the grey shrouds, and they take a licking and keep on ticking. Yes, the PC has processing, but is it really about repairability in the PC series. I had heard something about how the bottom of the amp was mounted. Any case, I run a PPI 4400, and a 2400 for sub duty, should I be upgrading to the Art Series of the 90s?!
I'm way passed needing to attain a high db level. I listen at low levels and want clean transparent sound.
Mods, delete this thread!!!!! I just found the bickering thread. Since when did people stop making decisions with their ears?
New PPI guys, build it and we will listen. If it sucks be prepared, if it rocks, you have some old guys ready to educate the young ones. Why is it surprising that a product with iconic looks sells for more than a similar product that looks like a muffler? Build quality is about the same, and 'sound' is obviously the same (competently designed, well-built amps are commodity parts), so looks is a legitimate differentiator.
That said, anyone willing to pay near original list for an excellent condition A404.2 PLEASE contact me at once! Build quality is nothing the same. PC from Asia, Art from USA. PWM not in PC, is in old stuff.
PC does not have the STN ratio worth a damn, Art does PC has a much lower damping factor, Art does not PC looks like crap, Art looks awesome PC wasnt much cheaper then Art I can go on and on. Lets compare apples to oranges on a different thread. I understand the PWM, and the lack of any processing, but the prices just threw me back.
Why do you shun the Power Class from the late 90s. I have a number of them in the grey shrouds, and they take a licking and keep on ticking. Yes, the PC has processing, but is it really about repairability in the PC series.
I had heard something about how the bottom of the amp was mounted. Any case, I run a PPI 4400, and a 2400 for sub duty, should I be upgrading to the Art Series of the 90s?!
I'm way passed needing to attain a high db level. I listen at low levels and want clean transparent sound.
Mods, delete this thread!!!!! I just found the bickering thread. Since when did people stop making decisions with their ears?
New PPI guys, build it and we will listen. If it sucks be prepared, if it rocks, you have some old guys ready to educate the young ones. Let us know when your in Oregon. Build quality is nothing the same. I don't know where you get that idea. The ur-Powerclass amps were the last to be made (I believe) before PPI fell into the clutches of that scoundrel Darrell Issa. And they were basically just the Art Series.2 in muffler shells, from what I was told at the time.
As for DEI and post-DEI PPI stuff that also carried the 'Powerclass' name, I have no idea about it. Don't think I've ever seen one.
And I have no interest, because it's all so antique: large, underpowered for its size, class AB. If they got serious about making modern amps and came out with legit competitors to the Jello XD and HD series, I might look at them again. PC looks like crap, Art looks awesome Here I agree with you. Arts looked cool. I bought one when they were new because it looked cooler than other amps like the RF George Foreman grille plates or the ridged-box ESX's, and at the time I couldn't afford amps that looked cooler (McIntosh).
I never would've bought one of the Powerclass mufflers because they're IMO ugly and the same size. (If the mufflers had the same power but a quarter the size, that would've been different.) To me, looks are an issue, so Art PC. Looks seem to be an issue for others as well, which is why Arts have higher resale value than PCs, comparing similar condition amps of the same output potential. But if looks aren't an issue, there's little to choose between the two amps. And it's dishonest to claim otherwise.
I don't know where you get that idea. The ur-Powerclass amps were the last to be made (I believe) before PPI fell into the clutches of that scoundrel Darrell Issa. And they were basically just the Art Series.2 in muffler shells, from what I was told at the time. As for DEI and post-DEI PPI stuff that also carried the 'Powerclass' name, I have no idea about it. Don't think I've ever seen one. And I have no interest, because it's all so antique: large, underpowered for its size, class AB. If they got serious about making modern amps and came out with legit competitors to the Jello XD and HD series, I might look at them again.
Irrelevant - and goddammit I hate it when people pull that kind of jingoistic bigoted bullshit - but wrong to boot. The original PC mufflers clearly had 'Designed and Handcrafted in the USA' on their heatsinks. Perhaps they were in violation of FTC labeling rules, but I doubt it.
But so fucking what? Are yellow people somehow innately inferior at soldering and bolting shit together than white people? Again, the ur-PC was, from contemporary accounts, Art.2 in a muffler shell. To use one example of equivalent amps: PPI A404.2 rated S/N: 100dB PPI PC450 rated S/N: 110dB DF is irrelevant at these levels, but again, you're wrong. Again, same two amps. A404.2 rated DF: 200 PC450 rated DF: 500 Here I agree with you.
Arts looked cool. I bought one when they were new because it looked cooler than other amps like the RF George Foreman grille plates or the ridged-box ESX's, and at the time I couldn't afford amps that looked cooler (McIntosh). I never would've bought one of the Powerclass mufflers because they're IMO ugly and the same size. (If the mufflers had the same power but a quarter the size, that would've been different.) To me, looks are an issue, so Art PC.
Looks seem to be an issue for others as well, which is why Arts have higher resale value than PCs, comparing similar condition amps of the same output potential. But if looks aren't an issue, there's little to choose between the two amps. And it's dishonest to claim otherwise. I remember PC being slightly more than the Art.2's they replaced, but could be wrong on that. After all, PC replaced Art as PPI's flagship amp line.
I wasnt trying to start a schoolyard fight with you. PPI Art was the only line until 97. I was referring to DEI PC not the original USA ones, I know the orig were USA I was a dealer. U said they are the same boards and amps why are the specs different then? When the art series was first out there was no PC.
As for Mcintosh those are also not the same those were diff class then the PPI. Also the heatsinks were specially designed on the art. And they are worth more because people who run them know theres a difference and they are collectors items.
And for the specs I have my manuals where are you getting STN and DF specs on the art? Cuz STN is not 100 and DF is not 200 Not bigoted bs, just my opinion. They are not the same 2 amps, if ya think so - ok great keep yours I will go with mine. If you think these look alike, ya need some eye help. U said they are the same boards and amps why are the specs different then? I did not say they were the same boards and amps. I wrote that they were 'basically' the same.
Could the layout have changed? Sure, why not? Having never opened my A404.2 (warranty sticker still there) or opened the comparable PC450, I have no idea one way or the other. Just going by what someone who would know told me at the time.
And spec changes don't have to be from performance changes: they could be from different measurement techniques. After all, newer stuff should look 'better.' Whoa, I didnt know this thread was going in this direction. I tried to compare specs on PPI's owners manual. The specs for the Art series was rather lacking. My personal opinion is that the Art series looked silly.
The PC broke out of the box to me. A rounded design looked cooler to me than a schematic, quasi Jackson Pollack print. So, when did the Power Class production move offshore? I know there is the dark grey version, light grey version, and the Chrome version. Chromes having the highest values. Can anyone comment on the repairability of either series?
Say you fry something inside, is the amp repairable. By the way, I can hear sonic differances in amplifiers. QUOTE=DS-I did not say they were the same boards and amps. I wrote that they were 'basically' the same. Could the layout have changed?
Sure, why not? Having never opened my A404.2 (warranty sticker still there) or opened the comparable PC450, I have no idea one way or the other. Just going by what someone who would know told me at the time. And spec changes don't have to be from performance changes: they could be from different measurement techniques. After all, newer stuff should look 'better.' Except for the Macs being more expensive and better looking, they're not. Anyone who expects a 50Wx4 Mac to sound the slightest bit different from a A404.2 or PC450 or any other competent 50wpc 4-channel amp is a deaf idiot.
But yes, the Macs look cooler, and they cost more. Um, I'm pretty sure the mufflers had the 'specially designed' heatsinks, too. As for people who run them, well. I ran an A404.2, and I know there's no meaningful difference - competently designed-and-built audio amplifiers are commodity parts from a sonic perspective - so you're wrong with that generalization, too. I got them from which was the first that popped up in a Google search for 'PPI A404.2 damping factor.' However, those numbers are slightly different from those in the Pro650 manual I have, which doesn't list DF (just as well, because it means precisely nothing) but lists S/N as 102dB.
Oh, so it's 'your opinion' that white people can solder and bolt commodity parts together better than Asians can? What possible basis, besides simple racism could lead to that 'opinion.'
LOL you must be asian or something cuz I wasnt targeting anyone. Im not racist, so stop taking this thread that direction.
Ask anyone if the USA built stuff was better then when it started coming from Asia. As I said, I have the manuals, they are describing the heatsinks etc in them and the design of the PWM supply. Someone who would say DF doesnt mean anything, after debating class AB vs D etc - obviously is a can short a 6 pack. We were not talking about class comparason. Argue with them on it its in thier spec sheets - I dont really care. From What I remember the Power Class amps that were manufactured after the Arts were all USA designed and built. The color changed from dark gray to a silver color somewhere around 1999 or 2000.
I'm pretty sure there was a.2 version of the PC and this may be when the color changed. A year or 2 after the color changed was when PPI started to have financial problems IIRC. PPI built a few of the PCX(?) amps with the bump running down the middle of the amp just before they went under as an independent company I seem to remember. The chrome amps were 15th anniversary amps and seemed to be fantastic amps. They were built at the same time as the first silver ones I do believe. We sold a few of them at the shop I used to work for.
There may have been minor changes to the circuitry from Art to PC but aside from the processing they pretty much performed identically to each other. If I was going to buy a PC amp I would tend to lean toward the dark gray or chrome ones because without know the manufactured date on a silver one you may be getting one closer to the financial crash and there is no way of knowing if or when they may have started cheaping out on the internals. I do remember some of the last amps we sold did seem to not be as powerful and some of them came back with problems. By that time we were having trouble getting product from PPI and service was going down hill.
We quit carrying the line just after the PCX amps started showing up. It wasn't long after that when we heard about the collapse at PPI and some of our experiences started to make sense. Just googled some images of PC amps and the silver ones look like they maybe removed the printing on top stating that they were designed and hand crafted in the USA. Maybe they did start moving production over seas around that time?
The chromes ones still have it printed on them though. There were two series of the chrome amps. The first were the limited edition 15th anniversary.
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Those have chrome end caps and plexi glass bottoms. Only the PC2150, PC1400(1x400@4ohm), PC2350, PC4100, Pro650, and 2500F1 were available in the 15th anniv. These shared model numbers and specs with the dark charcoal grey amps(excluding 2500F1). A couple of 15th anniversary amps from my collection. PC2350 and Pro650 The second chrome PC's had black end caps. They changed the model numbers except for the PC1400. The specs were different on that PC1400(1x200@4ohm).
Not Asian, just extremely anti-racist. Thats why your the one making a deal out of this all I would take a modern Asian amp (Jello HD-series, for instance) over anything that ever came out of Phoenix, so your 'anyone' test clearly fails. I dont know what your meaning is. Just because you keep saying it dont mean it fails. Ask anyone if USA is better in car audio then asian. Were not talking about a damn cell phone here. Yes, one really has to be a drunkard (or suffering from mental impairment similar to alcohol poisoning) to think that competently designed and built amps sound different from one another.
Do you think you got the herp because a witch cast a spell on you, too? Dude your a flamer, racist and a know it all. Noone cares about your crap. This thread was about the differences, not about your racial remarks and know it all attitude. I like the original USA built PPI amps, period.
There are major differences in them and thats it. If you have a prob with that too bad. I dont really care anymore.
There were two series of the chrome amps. The first were the limited edition 15th anniversary. Those have chrome end caps and plexi glass bottoms. Only the PC2150, PC1400(1x400@4ohm), PC2350, PC4100, Pro650, and 2500F1 were available in the 15th anniv. These shared model numbers and specs with the dark charcoal grey amps(excluding 2500F1). A couple of 15th anniversary amps from my collection. PC2350 and Pro650 The second chrome PC's had black end caps.
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